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insurance-forums.com – Doug Andrew

• 2022-2023 – insurance-forums.com – [re: Doug Andrew]  —  [BonkNote] 
• 2022 – insurance-forums.com – Doug Andrew – Laser Fund – 108791 – [link]

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  • 2022 1222 – REI_Velocity – I don’t think I did. When the other guy was saying how good his IULs were I asked him to show one. – The unicorn is still in the wild. One day we may see it. Lol
  • 2023 0604 – Jab246jab – You need to watch some Doug Andrew videos on Youtube. He will explain how IUL is the best investment you can make.
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  • 2023 0604 – Jab246jab said:  You need to watch some Doug Andrew videos on Youtube. He will explain how IUL is the best investment you can make.
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  • 2023 0604 – Allen Trent – Is this the same Doug Andrew?
    • Paramount Financial Services, Inc. d/b/a Live Abundant – sec.gov/litigation/admin/2020/34-88070.pdf
      • 2020 0129 – SEC – Administrative Proceeding – Doug Andrew – re: WoodBridge – 3p
        • Order Instituting Administrative Proceedings Pursuant to Section 15(b) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, Making Findings, and Imposing Remedial Sanctions
        • File No. 3-19680
        • In the Matter of Paramount Financial Services, Inc. d/b/a Live Abundant
    • 2014 – LC – Eddie L. Cressy – Truth in Advertising truthinadvertising.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Cressy-v.-FG-Life-Insurance-pre-app.pdf
      • 2014 – LC – Eddie L. Cressy vs. Fidelity & Guaranty Life Insurance Company; Paramount Financial Services, Inc.; and Douglas Andrew
      • Case No.: BCS 14340
      • Order Granting Motion for Preliminary Approval of Class Action Settlement – 17p
      • lacourt.org/casesummary/ui/casesummary.aspx?casetype=civil
    • Administrative Complaint – Page 1 – Lawrence G. Wasden, Attorney –  https://www.finance.idaho.gov/legal…-a-andrew-maxfield-watson-admin-complaint.pdf – <Bad Link>
  • Jab246jab said: Yes that is the Doug Andrew from Youtube. Looks like he had a couple of policies that didn’t work out for him. Many of his IUL policies must have worked out or else he would have more complaints and lawsuits.
  • DHK – David Kinder – You didn’t bother to click on those links. Had nothing to do with a “couple of policies” but everything to do with misrepresentation. And those complaints came from the SEC, the State of Idaho, and class action lawsuit in Los Angeles California.
    • How many complaints and lawsuits are enough for you?
    • You can learn from him if you want. It’s just your license, livelihood, and reputation on the line.
  •  DHK – David Kinder – And please be very clear in your communication. IUL is not an investment in how most people define investment. It is not a security regulated by FINRA or the SEC. It is an incredible asset that can be leveraged in multiple ways.
    • Considering that you’re learning from Doug Andrew and his litany of complaints regarding misrepresentation, you may want to be extra clear in what you say and write.
  • Jab246jab – I thought Doug Andrew gave solid advice. But if it is so bad how was he able to stay in business for almost 50 years. Most of his policies he sold must have performed the way he said they would perform?
  • DHK – David Kinder – Marketing. He’s an exceptional marketer.
  • Jab246jab – What do you think the success rate is on all the IUL policies he sells?
  • DHK – David Kinder – I have better things to research and think about.
  • Scagnt83 – 2023 0605 – He spews extremely inaccurate statements about IUL. Stuff that is easily fact checked..
    • IUL is not the “best investment there is”… nothing is “the best”.
    • IUL has only existed for around 20 years. Only heavily sold for the past 10 years.
    • Cap renewals are the biggest danger of IUL, and many consumers have been lied to about how renewals work (by people like him). Many consumers have current caps that are significantly lower than when they started…. and they are pissed…
  • Scagnt83 – Not enough time has gone by to accurately gauge success. It took 20 years for ULs to start imploding and the class action suits to hit the fan.
    • And from what I have seen of the products he sells….. he is lucky he is at the end of his career…
    • (he sells low rated carriers with horrible renewal rates….. but very large commission payouts…)
    • Also, anyone who promotes “100% returns” is a scam artist. That is an illegal statement to make in the financial world… and a complete lie.
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  • Scagnt83 – If you read those lawsuits… he told people to take out a HELOC or 2nd mortgage to purchase IUL.
    • That violates many different laws and regulations.
    • And is corrupt AF.
  • Jab246jab  – he seems very sure of himself. So he is lying about results in those Youtube videos?
  • Allen Trent – Refer to the earlier links. Woodbridge was a $1.3B Ponzi scheme.
    • [EXTERNAL LINK] – Banned from selling securities but still hawking insurance – InvestmentNews
    • [EXTERNAL LINK] – SEC Announces Charges Against Live Abundant – Future Income Payments Lawsuit
  • Tahoe Ray – People who steal from others or run “successful” grifts are often self-assured.  Also, people lie on every platform and in person. I have no knowledge about this guy, but it’s not uncommon in the industry.
  • DHK – David Kinder – Doug Andrew, despite the lawsuits, has always had dubious math in his Missed Fortune examples. That’s been around for over 20 years now. The principles may be sound, but you had better know how to implement on them in a prudent and ethical manner, especially if using an interest-only mortgage, that the client can afford their mortgage payment if and when interest rates rise, and how to properly structure their life insurance policy.
    • I’ve heard of agents who took the cash out proceeds from an interest only mortgage and put it ALL (100%) into the FIRST YEAR PREMIUM of a policy. That’s downright criminal. So the next year, the client can’t afford the ongoing premium… nor would they be able to afford the mortgage when the interest-only period expires and the payments are principal and interest.
    • So many abuses on this in the past. This is why it’s one of the questions regarding the source of funds/premiums for life insurance… and if it’s a mortgage, you’ll need to provide more details at best, or they’ll decline the application at worst.
    • The lesson is that there’s often a lot of history behind certain people and whether it’s intentional or simply badly implemented. I don’t need anything that Doug Andrew does. I don’t pay any attention to it. (I do find it interesting that he’s a current or past client of Dan Sullivan’s Strategic Coach though.)
    • There are plenty of good people to learn more about IUL both here in this forum as well as others. David McKnight is one who I follow and he wrote the book “Look before you LIRP.” If you want someone to follow in the IUL space, follow him on YouTube.
  • Jab246jab – I believed this guy and now I am finding out he is involved in Ponzi schemes.
  • Jab246jab – Damn, he looks like a nice old man who is very knowledgeable. Now I find out he is involved in Ponzi Schemes. Who can you trust these days?
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  • Allen Trent – I don’t know for a fact that he knew it was a ponzi scheme, but the regulators & others believe he knowingly promoted unregulated securities & was paid commissions for promoting & bringing investors to the Woodbridge Investment that ended up being a $1.3B ponzi scheme. He may not have been a ringleader in the ponzi scheme, but he certainly is a hypocrite in his videos about IUL. If he believes IUL is the best in all those videos, then why get people to invest in such a high risk, no protection gamble like Woodbridge
  • Jab246jab – Thanks for the advice. I trusted Doug Andrew but now I realize he is a ponzi scheme guy. Following Doug Andrew advice from his youtube videos could cause an agent some serious problems.
  • Jab246jab – He says IUL is better than real estate and stock investments. But seems he only says it because he is banned in those markets.
  • DHK – David Kinder – I won’t necessarily go that far. Woodbridge Wealth got a lot of agents (who didn’t necessarily do enough due diligence) caught up in their stuff. Doug Andrew wasn’t the orchestrator, but it was the sale of unregistered securities to non-accredited investors.
  • Jab246jab – Doug Andrew should have known better. I know better than to do that and Doug Andrew is much more knowledgeable than I am.
  • PrivClientSG  – I think a lot of professionals collapse “sales” and “marketing” with truly being an “expert” and widely respected in the field. Two very different and distinct people. Just because someone sells a lot, markets, has exposure, even notariety, etc. — doesn’t mean they are truly an expert in the field. There have been some truly great life insurance fessionals in our industry. One may market, write books, do videos, etc. — and if the motivation is exposure, notoriety, etc., and perhaps they have “something” to sell (other than being a producer). That’s not always a bad thing, but I’d look at that. In addition, many of the true experts in our industry are not life insurance producers. Steve Leimberg was a perfect example of that. Robert Ritter Jr. is another example. Having something to sell does not make a person bad, nor does it automatically put you into one category or the other.
    • However, as far as a life insurance producer/professional, show me one who has presented/lectured on the national stage — Heckerling, AALU, NAEPC, Forum 400, etc. — show me one who is widely respected and well known by both peers and allied professionals, and that will speak to legitimacy. Look at the life insurance professionals who are in the NAEPC Hall of Fame. Don’t get me wrong, we’ve all seen a top person in our industry, well known, well respected, etc. — go bad — so it happens. But for the most part — check their motives, see who they are in and around our industry, and separate the two. Then you’ll know who is who.
  • Jab246jab – Thanks for the information. It is very helpful. I appreciate you taking the time to share this information. I looked up Steve Leimberg and he has some really good books I am going to buy.